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tankgirl

The relationship of Artificial Intelligence and Humans was a strong thematic idea in Prometheus

I believe in the next movie 'Paradise' it will become even more intense with a representative from each left..... David and Elizabeth


Today, on Earth, our awareness of the possible threat of A.I. is becoming more prevalent in our movies, literature, and everyday life

It is infriltrating our military planning and gaining increasing concerns for our real future with Universtities setting up departments of experts to monitor and asses developing risks



On Nov. 21, the U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter signed a new policy directive aimed at reducing the risk and “consequences of failures in autonomous and semi-autonomous weapon systems that could lead to unintended engagements.”

In other words, the Pentagon was making sure that the U.S. military doesn’t end up in a situation where robots are able to decide whether to pull the trigger on a human.


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Cambridge University in the UK has initiated The Cambridge Project for Existential Risk

QUOTE: The Cambridge Project for Existential Risk
Many scientists are concerned that developments in human technology may soon pose new, extinction-level risks to our species as a whole.

Such dangers have been suggested from progress in AI, from developments in biotechnology and artificial life, from nanotechnology, and from possible extreme effects of anthropogenic climate change. The seriousness of these risks is difficult to assess, but that in itself seems a cause for concern, given how much is at stake.

The Cambridge Project for Existential Risk — a joint initiative between a philosopher, a scientist, and a software entrepreneur — begins with the conviction that these issues require a great deal more scientific investigation than they presently receive.


Cambridge University Project for Existential Risk


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Here is an interesting article on the subject

TheConversation




SO.....

Who do you think will or should succeed in Paradise??
The Human- Elizabeth
The AI-David


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\\\"My God, its full of stars\\\" David Bowman

21 Replies

caenorhabhditis

dunno but i reckon david is to us what we are to the engineers

I LIKE WORMS! I LOVE WORMS!

DenzelTH

I think they will work as a team, gotta keep David away from the Engineers though, dont want his head taken off.
David is tricky, he might seem to be an friend , but he has alterior motives. But the Humans always save the day. ;)

I Will Not Abandon Merry & Pippins Atonement To Death.

Svanya

In this interview, Ridley Scott Hints at 'Prometheus' Sequel Plot Ridley says Shaw will be in danger once she gets David's head re-attached.

Quote-"You've got a person [Noomi's Elizabeth] with a head in a bag [Michael's David] that functions and has an IQ of 350," he elaborated further. "It can explain to her how to put the head back on the body and she's gonna think about that long and hard because, once the head is back on his body, he's dangerous." -Ridley Scott


Shaw beat some huge odds in Prometheus, by using her brains, brawn and faith. David many have brains and brawn, but he has no faith so he will not be the winner here.

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tankgirl



I agree caenor about some kind of hierarchy and David8 saying "dont we all want our parents dead" may come to mean a lot more in Paradise

@denzel I agree I think team work is going to be important...until it gets critical for survival and it will then depend of lots of factors


Thanks for the link Svanya : )
just wondering
are you less dangerous with or without a body
is David still a threat without his body?

I wonder if David does have faith? [a belief not based on fact]

and whether his faith turns out to be fact or Elizabeths

\\\"My God, its full of stars\\\" David Bowman

tankgirl

Thinking about David having faith.....

I know David was very interested on Lawrence of Arabia

Quote:Reflections on characters and themes in “Lawrence of Arabia”

Lawrence was clearly driven – he was a highly intelligent and well educated idealist whose faith in himself drove him to acts of great courage and daring, but also led to an excess of confidence and a fall from grace.


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\\\"My God, its full of stars\\\" David Bowman

DenzelTH

I think he was getting way too confident, maybe even cocky, and the Engineer ripping his head off brought him down a peg or two. I think he does have some kind of faith or hope, like when he tells Shaw about the Engineer coming after her, he wants her to stay alive so she can help him, and seems relieved when she answers back.

If he was fine, would he have even warned Shaw about the incoming Engineer?

I Will Not Abandon Merry & Pippins Atonement To Death.

tankgirl

I think he has some kind of faith too Denzel

but I also think he just needed Shaw to get out of the place he was physically stuck in


I do think David8 will have some kind of faith
a belief without facts that is the cause of his drive
he does seem purposeful
as if he has a plan

unless he knows something that he hasnt yet revealed that is driving his plans

he did seem to know a LOT before Prometheus Arrived

DenzelTH pointed out in Indys thread about the Weyland Timeline

Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will be programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on LV-223.
But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew ( including Meredith ) learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered, until the time is right.





Also thought it is interesting that when Alien came out in 1979, roboticists were making wheeled boxes that crashed into walls. Ash - the film's traitorous android - was pure fantasy.

But when Prometheus came out , Weyland Industries' David 8 enters a world with plenty of emerging real-life androids.

\\\"My God, its full of stars\\\" David Bowman

Major Noob

Excellent post Tankgirl. I of course have the answer but can't share it with you at this time. Terribly sorry.

Albert West

Shaw needs David and David needs Shaw, but what happens once that head is attached. Will David still need Shaw. In Prometheus it is clear what Shaw's intentions are throughout. David, on the other hand, I could not follow. He is so complex. During Prometheus I was asking "What is he doing now?" "How did he know how to do that?" "Is he experiencing emotions?" "Who's regime is he following?" With David there are so many variables. He is very, very dangerous. I believe we will find out how dangerous David can be in the next movie, but I also believe that we will discover how strong Elizabeth Shaw's will and faith really is.

tankgirl


David is definately very complex and dangerous I agree Albert.

It seems to be all the variables that make him dangerous

maybe thats exactly how the Engineer felt about us!

I think the Elizabeth/David dynamic will be such an interesting plot development
because between the both of them are ALL the key themes of Prometheus


MAJOR NOOB!!!!
Thats such a tease!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

dont you think this is a perfect sedgeway into your next Paranoobius Chapter

O-O

\\\"My God, its full of stars\\\" David Bowman

pulserifle187

What makes David so dangerous he has no idea that what he is doing is wrong or right. He show no emotion ( readable emotion ) to warrant suspicion .You will never get that feel of him lying or being deceptive.

\"how do you feel?\".....\"great, next stupid question\"

tankgirl

totally pulserifle!

but... it looks like he knew things about the mission and was instructed not to tell certain crew

so ...whether he is deciding to lie
or programmed to not reveal the truth
is yet to be disclosed : )



This reminds me so much of Hal 9000 in 2001 a space odyssey
he developed paranoid behavior due to his programming

HAL is unable to resolve a conflict between his general mission to relay information accurately and orders specific to the mission requiring that he withhold from Bowman and Poole the true purpose of the mission.

With the crew dead, he reasons, he would not need to be lying to them. He fabricates the failure of the AE-35 unit so that their deaths would appear accidental.


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maybe David8 is suffering due to his programming

of maybe he is an emerging consciousness and this has caused the conflict and volatility




this also brings up the idea of how much free will does Shaw have?


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Rubirosa

I just finished watching 2001 a few hours ago @tankgirl. Its about the twentieth time I have watched it. It is an amazing piece of art work which is very deep to the core. Some so called science-fiction fans who are on the young, side consider it a boring film. They rather watch an AvP flick which do not have any intellectual meaning at all.

tankgirl

I love 2001 its my favorite movie!!

it is incredible Rubirosa I agree

and it has influenced so much in science fiction thought

I have watched it many times
and still love it! : )

\\\"My God, its full of stars\\\" David Bowman

Theseus

Assess Tankgirl.

The war between them is over with David's prime programmer Weyland being killed. Shaw could deprogram him, reprogram him and/or help him find his own way now. How can that crescent Engineer ship be flown without David's body operating it? Perhaps he isntructs her how to fly the ship. I'm thinking his head woud have to be re-attached as it would take too long for Shaw to learn how to fly the ship.

Paradise I think is a place where people and beings unite in peace and also explore the magic of the universe...creator, created, magic, wonder and creativity are all wrapped into one organic mosiac...all about freedom of imagination and operating independently from a creator authority. The place would have the power to transform all consciousness and all form being the originator of everything in the universe. Shaw and David would participate in this transformation. David discovers he has a soul already just unrealized and Shaw learns to focus her negative emotions to positivity. Paradise is a supremely feminine realm that Shaw enjoys also with very clear philosophy which David appreciates. Paradise has it all...the birthplace of all cultures in the universe.

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